Welcome to Mortification of Spin, a casual conversation about things that count with Carl Truman and Todd Pruitt, a podcast of the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals. Let's join this week's conversation. I'm You are listening to Mortification of Spin.

My name is Todd Pruitt.

I'm the pastor of Covenant Presbyterian Church in Harrisonburg, Virginia, and I'm joined, as always, by my friend Carl Truman, a professor at Grove City College.

And today, we're going to continue the conversation that I was having with Carl about his new book, The Desecration of Man.

This is a program that we recorded over two sessions.

And so we just pick up midway through the conversation that Carl and I were having.

Hope you enjoy this.

Well, I think it's becoming patently obvious that the, you know, the revolutions of modernity,

for want of a better phrase, have proved in the long run to be fundamentally dehumanizing.

And because we are human beings, because we're made in the image of God, we, at least most of us,

intuitively grasp that there's something amiss in that.

You know, very, very few people short of psychopaths that you mean have no moral compass.

We may disagree on the details of morality.

But by and large, there's a sense in which we understand that other human beings are

to be treated as persons, not things.

How do we, how do we ground that?

Well, ultimately, I think you have to ground that in a notion that human beings are made

in the image of God.

Carl, unpack that a little, because your first chapter in the book is really dedicated to that

theme.

And over the years, I grew up in the church, and so I've heard the notion of the image of

God explained in different ways, sometimes in ways that are not at all convincing.

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