Welcome to Mortification of Spin, a casual conversation about things that count with Carl Truman and Todd Pruitt, a podcast of the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals. My name is Todd Pruitt.

I'm the pastor at Covenant Presbyterian Church in Harrisonburg, Virginia.

And I'm joined, as always, by my friend Carl Truman, who's a professor at Grove City College on loan this year to the fabulous, wonderful Notre Dame, that storied institution.

You know, Rudy, you know, that flawless historical record.

You know, Carl, you get to walk the terrain where Rudy walked.

I do. I get to have coffee in the student center, which is part of the stadium, of course.

And every day when I turn down the driveway, I see the beautiful golden dome ahead of me,

which of course has the statue of Mary on top of it.

So it's both a beautiful experience, but also a reminder of why I could never be a Roman Catholic.

So it's been a great year.

I've got some very good friends there, thoroughly enjoyed it.

But yes, it's Catholicism has not drawn me in.

Well, that's good.

We are all happy to hear that.

People have been waiting on pins and needles,

hoping that Carl would remain firmly anchored in the truth and so far so good.

So we could issue a challenge to the faculty at Notre Dame to see if they can turn you.

The irony is I think that the faculty I hang around with are the most conservative Catholics on campus.

Because, you know, as Machen points out in Christianity and liberalism, you know, the believers in the

supernatural in terms of the Christian faith often have more in common despite their fundamentally

ecclesiastical differences than we do with those who have the name Protestant, for example,

but deny the supernatural.

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