Content warning this episode contains discussion of the murder of two girls as well as suicide.

So we all remember that back on October 19th there was a hearing in the Richard Allen case.

Actually I guess perhaps it'd be more accurate to say there was not a hearing in the case

because Judge Gull came out and she spoke to those assembled in the courtroom and to the cameras in the court and indicated that Brad Rosie and Andrew Baldwin had chosen to withdraw from the case.

Subsequently, of course those two attorneys indicated that that wasn't the complete story. They indicated in a secret closed-door meeting.

Prior to this public hearing, they'd essentially been forced off the case.

The Judge Gull had indicated they needed to resign from the case or they would be publicly shamed in front of the cameras, which they maintain violates the due process rights of their client.

Now until today we had no way of evaluating any of this really, but today that has changed because there has been a release of the

transcript of this secret closed door meeting.

Today we're going to be reading from a few select sections of this transcript and discussing

what we're seeing in these excerpts and what they mean for what's to come ahead in this case.

My name is Anya Kane.

I'm a journalist.

And I'm Kevin Greenlee.

I'm an attorney.

And this is the Murder Sheet.

We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into

murder cases.

We're The Murder Sheet.

And this is the Delphi murders. Richard Allen goes to the

Indiana Supreme Court, the record of in-camera proceedings. So, Oh, I think these transcripts are interesting for a number of reasons. First of all, it's just plain interesting to be able to see what goes on behind closed doors.

Absolutely. And secondly, because it gives us a chance to really evaluate what has been said about this meeting over the last few weeks.

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