This is the Jocko debrief podcast episode 29 with Dave Burke and me in Jocko Willink.

We have a leadership consulting company which is over a decade old.

It's called Est Front.

You can find it Est Front.com

and we work with all kinds of companies

from all kinds of industries of all kinds of sizes.

And we have, I don't know 10 15 instructors and so we all learn when we work

with these companies we see leadership challenges maybe that we have a different angle on or we get

asked a question that we haven't heard before and so we do debriefs amongst

ourselves as instructors and we learned and so we want everyone else to learn as well as we do.

So we put this podcast together to kind of cover some of the highlights of these debriefs.

And we talk about the companies that we're working with. We change the

names, we change the industries, which we modify the situations so that we protect our clients

and their privacy. But the leadership issues that we discuss are the same.

So with that, Dave, let's debrief.

Sometimes you have to play the game.

At least a little.

This would be a good one.

So this is something we've talked around this in other ways too, but this is a person I've been working with directly.

She's a key leader in a big organization, and lately she's having a little bit of a trouble interacting with her boss who is upset with her because he thinks she's too passive

Lot going on problems to get solved, issues to address,

and she's coming across at least to him

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