This is the Jocco debrief podcast number 20 sex sitting here with Dave Burke and me, Jocco Willink.

What we do on this podcast is we have a leadership consulting company. It's called

Eschelonfront. We work with a bunch of different companies, every different industry,

wild range of industries. And we help them with their leadership. And a lot of times we debrief

amongst ourselves to try and learn and educate ourselves on what different leadership challenges

people face. So we do some debriefs as a company. But I figured we might as well debrief

on the podcast or on a podcast so we can educate more people and more people can learn from these

lessons. And these we change the names and we change the industries so that to protect our clients.

So whatever we're talking about, we say, oh, this was a gas oil company. It's probably a software

company. Or if we say it was a software company, it was probably a manufacturing company. But the

leadership stays the same. The leadership challenges stay the same. So that's what this podcast is

about. And Dave, what do you got? What do you got for debrief for today? Yeah, this podcast, by the

way, people are pretty stoked on what cracks me up because we do always mix things up. And we're

never going to talk about something that can identify a particular client or particular person.

And because people really like this podcast, I'm always getting the question, hey, was that our

company? He was that me. So it tells me that it resonates. So you know, the problems we're talking

about with this company, whatever might be, it's the same problems. It's so many different

companies. Well, that's like that. Ashtal on front when we do the academy and I at the beginning

of the case, we have an online training academy and we go on there and I usually present something

on a Monday. Hey, here's a leadership issue. Here's a here's a something you should try and look

at as a leader. And usually the team at Eshla on front is saying he's talking about me. He's talking

to me. And the funny thing was after a month of that stuff of the kind of the text thread going

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