This is Jockel Podcast number 381 with Echo Charles and me, Jockel Willink.

Good evening, Echo. Good evening. Also joining us tonight is Kelsey Sharon, who was in the Canadian Army.

She served in Afghanistan and she was actually on this podcast before number 288.

And you may notice that podcast number 288 is not actually available.

Because after it was released, I was contacted by some of the soldiers that she served with.

And they asked if I would edit the podcast to not include some of the names of people involved in this specific operation that we talked about on the podcast,

because they didn't want some of the details about events that had occurred to be revealed to families of the wounded and families of the fallen.

There were also some disagreements as to what had happened in combat and specifically to what Kelsey had done and had not done.

And so my immediate reaction was just to take down the podcast very obviously because the families of the fallen are the priority.

And so we took it down, we tried to edit that out.

We also tried to edit out some of the contradicting stories of what had occurred in combat.

And so we try to take some of those out.

And once it was all edited and cut up in the end after we had removed a bunch of the material, the podcast just didn't make sense anymore.

So we just we kept it down.

And and and then because we are kind of going to put it up and then we didn't put it up, I am a fault for not ever putting an explanation as to why we pulled it down and why didn't repost it.

And it left Kelsey in a bad spot because of my actions.

So ultimately, and this was important to me, the soldiers that served with Kelsey, even these are soldiers that reached out to me.

And even the ones who had a very different perspective as to what had happened during this particular operation, even those soldiers told me that Kelsey had performed very well in her role.

And they were appreciative of what she had done and were appreciative of what she'd been through.

And most important to me, they said that Kelsey had been a good soldier in combat.

And because of that, and because I know that Kelsey has helped people deal with their own trauma, I wanted to take this opportunity to get Kelsey back on here again and discuss her experiences.

At a high level and how she has gotten through and managed with her post traumatic stress that she's been through.

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