This is the Jocco debrief sitting here with Dave Burke and me, Jocco Willink, Dave.

Let's do a little debrief. We work with companies through our company, Ashlon Front,

and we work with a lot of wide variety of companies. We help them with their leadership.

Leadership is the solution to all problems, and we help them solve their problems through leadership.

We do, just FYI, change the characters and the backgrounds and the industry, so we're not

burning or putting on display the problems of companies that we work with. It's all classified

as far as we're concerned. So we do talk through what we see so that we can help everybody learn.

So what do we got Dave? When you get promoted above your peers, the best thing you can do

is lead them. Okay, well that's an interesting thing to start off with. Let's make sure that when we

say that, we also put the caveat on there that this doesn't mean you go turn into office Rambo,

and now, oh, you've been promoted. Now I'm in charge. I'm going to run everything. That's not what

we're talking about. That's cool because now I can cross out one of the verbatim lines that

what's something you don't want to do when you're in charge. So the situation with this, and look,

you're obviously right. There's a lot to think about. And the situation that we're talking about

right now is a client who was an individual contributor. He's a part of a five-person team,

and his boss got promoted up, which left a gap, and who was going to lead this team, and he got

selected to be the supervisor of this group. So he went from being one of five peers to now being

the supervisor of four subordinates that he's been working with for a while. His company is

cool company. They do like data collection for healthcare. And so there's a lot of time working

as a team pulling through data, a lot of time behind a computer. And he had been working well with

these four guys, wanted to get promoted, but once he got promoted, his boss, who's now a manager,

had been noticing he was shying away from some of the responsibility of that supervisor reroll.

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