The death of Welsh Labour
The Politics Show
The New Statesman
4.2 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 24 October 2025
⏱️ 29 minutes
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Summary
Is Welsh Labour dead?
Plaid Cymru won a historic victory in the by-election, trouncing Labour who had been dominant for over 100 years.
The "middle child" as Plaid's new MS describes them, also beat Reform, who pollsters expected to win the seat.
In this episode, Harry Clarke-Ezzidio reports from Caerphilly to analyse the results of the election. He speaks to Rhun ap Iorwerth, Huw Irranca-Davies, Llyr Powell, and Dan Evans.
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| 0:00.0 | The New Statesman |
| 0:02.0 | There isn't a tactical voting element here at all, do you think? |
| 0:08.0 | Oh, there's certainly a tactical vote and I spoke to Labour members today. |
| 0:12.0 | And clearly it would have been a tactical vote for them. |
| 0:15.0 | But my experience for weeks here, I've spent many, many days here working with a team. My experience has been |
| 0:22.5 | of people saying, you know what, we're lifelong Labour supporters and we're with you this time, |
| 0:27.8 | not begrudgingly, but happy to back a different vision. This is Renup Yawath, leader of Ply Cymru, |
| 0:34.6 | the party which took the seat in Kaffili in last night's Senate by- by election. It was the first time Labour have lost the seat in over 100 years. |
| 0:42.2 | You must be revelling in this a little bit, right? You must take satisfaction that |
| 0:46.0 | you, after being belittled by Labour, you know, historically, that actually you have won |
| 0:51.1 | the argument and you have reduced them to this position. This is a significant shift in politics in Wales. I don't think this is a one-off shift. |
| 1:00.1 | For months and months we've seen the decline in labour and the increase in support for |
| 1:04.7 | Plight Comrie. It's culminated now in this result here in Kaffili, which speaks for itself. |
| 1:10.3 | Plight Comrie is no longer the small player in Welsh politics. |
| 1:13.6 | Plight Cymoury is the progressive voice in Welsh politics. |
| 1:17.6 | And it's my job to build trust in that in every part of Wales, as we've shown we can do here in Caffili. |
| 1:21.6 | We can do it anywhere. |
| 1:23.6 | There's no part of Wales now that's not represented by Plykeh in the Senate. |
| 1:28.4 | We have roots in all parts of Wales. We want to deepen those as we offer that positive |
| 1:33.1 | alternative, that positive default. I'm Harry Clark-Azidio, and this is the News Seats and |
| 1:38.2 | podcast. I'm joining you once again from Kaffili in what continues to be a momentous day |
| 1:43.2 | in Welsh and British politics. |
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