Labour loses Caerphilly for first time in over 100 years
The Politics Show
The New Statesman
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🗓️ 24 October 2025
⏱️ 17 minutes
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Summary
After 14 attempts, Lindsay Whittle has won the Caerphilly seat in South Wales for Plaid Cymru. Reform came in second with over a third of the vote, and Labour trailed in third with 11%. A devastating loss for the party.
Harry Clarke-Ezzidio is joined by Ben Walker in Caerphilly Leisure Centre.
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| 0:00.0 | The New Statesman |
| 0:02.0 | Wittell, Lindsay, Geoffrey, Plight Cymory, the Party of Wales, 15961 |
| 0:12.0 | This is a special edition of the New Station podcast being recorded live here in Capelli, South Wales, |
| 0:26.8 | for the by-election here in the South Wales seat, which has for the first time voted for |
| 0:32.7 | Applied Cymoury to represent its constituents in the Welsh Senate. I'm Harry Clark-Azidio and I'm joined by my colleague |
| 0:39.4 | Ben Walker. Ben, it's been a very long and hectic few days. How are you holding up? Not. No, we're not. |
| 0:47.1 | I'm looking forward to sleep after this. Likewise. This is a seismic result. It is a seismic result. |
| 0:52.1 | This is, you know, it's a by-election for a |
| 0:54.3 | senate seat that is not going to exist in six months time because the Senate is moving towards |
| 0:58.9 | full proportional representation in which 10% of votes equals 10% of seats. This is the last, |
| 1:04.8 | probably, Senif contest under first-pass-the-post, and my goodness me, the people of Kaffirri |
| 1:09.7 | have spoken in a certain way that |
| 1:11.7 | is just not normal. Turnout is up from 40-something percent to 50 percent and the swing, you |
| 1:17.9 | know you're talking a Labour seat of a hundred something years, a Labor vote falling not to |
| 1:22.9 | second, not in reasonable composition, not in close proximity, but to a distant, distant third, at 11%. |
| 1:30.2 | A ridiculous fall, you know, Plyde are up 19 points, they're at 47%. |
| 1:34.7 | And Reform, who models and some polls predicted they would gain, |
| 1:39.5 | they come a pretty distant second on 36%. |
| 1:42.5 | So did the scale of the plied win over reform surprise you? Because it was framed as being neck and neck, like it was too close to cool in the buildup to this. And it was according to the polls, it was according to, to be honest with you, my Britain predicts model said it would be close. And the fact it wasn't, tells you something's gone on. So what's happened here, I suppose, the fact turnout has gone on. The fact we've had an abnormal level of turnout in an abnormal by-election suggests, I think, that a different kind of people are turning out to what you normally assume. So in by-elections, you always assume it's the engage. You always assume it's the old Reliables. Well, no, it's more than that. Something else has |
| 2:18.6 | gone on. We've had people texting to us tell us that, you know, people, my friends who |
| 2:23.8 | never ever engage in politics, they're coming out now, they're coming out for pride. And the one thing, |
| 2:28.4 | the current theme of that campaign, of this move, this increase in turnout is, I want to stop reform. |
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