Welcome to Politics by Faith. Thank you for being here. What a great special we just did.

Two wonderful guests, very, very happy with it. We talked about church leadership and what we should be looking for in our church leaders, the state of leadership today, and where we need to be going and how we all need to step up because we're all leaders.

So we talked with William Wolfe, who is the executive director for Center for Baptist Leadership. And then we talked to Rabbi Pincus Taylor, director of the American Faith Coalition, to go back to what we call the Old Testament.

Tanakh, what the Jews call the Old Testament.

And what did God say about what we should be looking for out of leaders?

And again, out of ourselves. Enjoy.

America is the greatest country in the world.

Welcome to our special, the death of Pope Francis.

Pope Francis has been the Pope since March 2013,

the first pope from the Americas in the Southern Hemisphere,

and the first pope born or raised outside of Europe

since the 8th century Syrian Pope Gregory the 3rd.

That's all my Pope, Pope trivia, that I have right now. There are a lot of Catholics

who watch this show, welcome, and listen to my podcast as well, politics by faith, and also

non-Catholics. So what I want to do now is use this moment to have a conversation about

leadership of the Christian church in America and leadership

of Christians in America.

A lot of people in the church have failed in profound ways.

A lot of leaders, a lot of missed opportunities.

COVID was a major missed opportunity.

Government's like, shut down.

Like, okay. Whatever you say, authorities? It's like, shut down. Like, okay, whatever you say

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