I hate to say, like, you have no sense of agency in this, but like I was talking to an actual out-and-out data broker that source of mine earlier this week.

And I was just like, what do you think about the whole like deleting data thing?

And he laughed and he was just like, it's like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. I'm your host, Paris Marks, and I am back this

week. I hope you enjoyed last week's episode where Brian Merchant took the hosting duties

and turned the tables on me to ask me questions about my new book,

Road to Nowhere, what Silicon Valley gets wrong about the future of transportation.

It was definitely fun for me to be on the other side of the microphone for once,

to be the one answering the questions

than asking them and obviously i always love chatting with brian you know as you would know if

you're a regular listener of the show he's been on plenty of times i always love having him on the show

um so when it came time to pick somebody to interview me about my book i knew knew that I wanted Brian to do it. And I thought

he did a great job. I really enjoyed it. I hope you liked having a guest host for one week as well.

Yeah, it was definitely cool for me. And obviously, if you did miss last week's episode, just a reminder

that my book is out now and you can get it anywhere that you buy books, basically.

Now, this week, my guest is Shoshana Wadinsky.

Shoshana is a privacy reporter at Gizmodo, and she was last on the show in September of 2020,

way, way back then, episode 28, if you want to go back and listen to that about the digital

ads industry and how Google and Facebook really dominate it. Since then, you know, Amazon has continued to rise and is kind of one of the three main players now. But in this week's episode, we wanted to sort of talk about something else. You know, as I'm sure you've probably heard, recently the Supreme Court in the United States overturned

Roe versus Wade, which means that the right to abortion nationally in the United States is taken

away. And now it's up to the various states to decide if they're going to allow people to get

abortions or make abortion access illegal. And obviously, it's a huge huge problem and it's a huge rollback of the

rights of women and pregnant people in the United States. And one of the things that I noticed as

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