We had to look at the car because if we're talking about disruption in the way that these tech companies that Silicon Valley has sold us in the past decade or so, like the car really was this technology that disrupted the American city, but the city more broadly in the transportation system.

Yeah. Hello, and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

My name is not Paris Marks.

I am Brian Merchant.

You're a regular listener of the show.

You might recognize my voice.

I've been on here a few times before.

But if not, I am a technology journalist and author.

And now your first ever guest host.

Yes, this week I am turning the tables on Paris

and interviewing them about their new book, Road to Nowhere,

What Silicon Valley Gets Wrong About the Future of Transportation.

The book is out this week.

It's great.

I was fortunate enough to read an early draft. I gave Paris some notes,

which they mostly fortunately ignored, and the book is better for it. It's really just a great

synopsis of how Silicon Valley has tried to address transportation, all of its for-profit

schemes around mobility from Tesla to Uber, to the boring company, to the cyber truck. It's all

in there, and it's really a great sort of distillation of why we need to be

wary of Silicon Valley when it says it's going to set out to do the common good. It's a really

useful area to look at transportation, and Paris just expertly shows why that is. And piece by piece by

piece unravels the mythologies of its techno-utopian dreams of driverless cars and underground

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