Hi, this is Women Who Travel, a podcast from Kynast Traveler that digs deep into the realities of traveling as a woman today and celebrates why we'll never stay home.

I'm Meredith Carey and with me Perjouj is my co-host, Laliarikoglu.

Hi.

And then we found two very special guests today who we love to chat about the topic of today's podcast with, if you can follow that sentence.

The first one is Polly Dibner, our lovely managing editor here at Kindass Traveler.

Thanks, Mayor.

I got an applause.

We truly never had that happen before.

It feels like a mementization.

And also joining us is Jen Dilling Martin, the associate publisher at Riverhead, who is here because today we're talking about books specifically beach reads and all of like the weird feelings and good feelings that come along with that term.

And shame.

Exactly.

A needless shame.

Right.

I think that this came out of us talking about when we were putting together our list of

beach reads for the website, which you can find online now.

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I think your first thought, which is the wrong thought,

is like fluff, right? Totally. Am I the only? Which also translates to female. Right. I think

like this, like lady, like chicklet, that sort of thing gets thrown unnecessarily under this

umbrella, whereas you have these like like, lists of books to read this

summer that are a mix of, like, very highbrow, interesting, mostly mail-written books. And then you

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