Welcome back. It's time again. It's Thursday. And we're talking about our, our newest

obsession, our best friend, our bestest friend. And you know what's going to be happening

in a couple months, said this summer, Natalia is going to speak out and describe her experience.

Yeah, I don't even know if it's a couple of months. I think it's coming up soon. We are going

to get that. And I'm very, I mean, they're really, really, really milking this. My God, the

fact that they got six episodes out of this is so insane. And we are starting this episode.

This is our final, final for now, Natalia Grace, with episode five, if you're following along.

And it's insane. I mean, it just, it never, so Michael, so we just had last week, as we talked

about, Jacob had his hot mic moment, where it's like, well, are we not going to talk about

where he kicked her down the stairs? Right. And Michael's like, so Michael,

which did you feel like it was a, I mean, I felt like, oh, God, it was definitely a,

oh, for sure, because you're like, oh, these are all pretty terrible people, but especially the mom,

I mean, this is the one part that I, I believe that Michael was, I don't want to say an equal

abuser. I kind of believe him that she, that she was more of the, the physical, the physical

abuser. I think he was equally abusive. Definitely equally abusive. And I don't love the fact that,

you know, he's trying to play this like after the fact, like, oh, my gosh, I really loved her.

I don't know. I was just, I just couldn't stick up for her because like, she was too powerful.

Right. Christine was just too powerful for me. She was so abusive to me, all of a sudden.

Yes. And he's so extra just even at the beginning, he's crying, he's losing his mind.

So now it cuts to for a second, an interview with Natalia.

Remember, they kind of kept putting that in, like just real weird places.

And it freaks you out because you're like, oh, well, now she is, like, is that what she really

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