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The Cure for Hate — with Tony McAleer

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🗓️ 19 December 2019

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

“You can binge watch an ideology in a weekend,” says Tony McAleer. He should know. A former white supremacist, McAleer was introduced to neo-Nazi ideology through the U.K. punk scene in the 1980s. But after his daughter was born, he embarked on a decades-long journey from hate to compassion. Today’s technology, he says, make violent ideologies infinitely more accessible and appealing to those who long for acceptance. Social media isolates us and can incubate hate in a highly diffuse structure, making it nearly impossible to stop race-based violence without fanning the flames or driving it further underground. McAleer discusses solutions to this dilemma and the positive actions we can take together.

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0:00.0

This mother wrote us and she said, you know, my son's 18, he's got Asperger syndrome, and he's found this white nationalist community online, and she goes, you know what terrifies me the most?

0:10.0

Is these people have embraced and accepted my son in a way that no one has in his entire life.

0:15.5

That's Tony Mackelier, a former organizer for the White Aryan Resistance or War. As a skinhead recruiter,

0:22.2

he knew the most effective way to lure young people into a hateful

0:25.5

movement was to simply catch them at a moment of isolation. They didn't have to share his beliefs or

0:30.5

frequent far-right chat rooms. They just had to feel hopelessly alone.

0:34.0

You know when he was in grade seven, when he was 12, he invited his entire class to his birthday party,

0:39.5

and nobody showed up.

0:41.0

At this moment of desperation, a recruiter like Tony would showed up. At this moment of desperation,

0:43.1

a recruiter like Tony would show up,

0:45.2

and he wouldn't reason with them.

0:46.9

He appealed to their emotions.

0:48.8

As human beings, we just want to belong.

0:50.7

And those are deep, deep psychological trials. I'm sure that that kid would believe

0:55.5

that the earth was flat if that's what it took to get that kind of social

0:58.7

acceptance. Tony isn't sharing his story to make you feel pity for him or for those who share a hateful

1:04.1

ideology. Instead he wants you to understand the starting point of hatred before

1:09.0

the headline grabbing horrors of the Christchurch shooting or the torchlit march

1:12.4

to the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.

1:15.0

Because before all that, there's a private journey of one individual into a state of isolation.

1:20.0

You can't understand the rise of extremist movements worldwide until you understand this first fork in the road,

1:25.5

and how technology pushes more young people towards isolation,

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