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I've always looked at the boat race with so many questions,

and the main question is, how does this count as a TV show?

But even though the boat race definitely isn't my idea of

diversity, it's certainly a test case of performance under pressure. Today's

guest Mark Durand is an expert in teams who thrive in those conditions.

He spent his life embedded with teams like military hospitals in Camp Bastion with the

boat race crew.

And the boat race is definitely an example of a team that is win at all costs.

Ready.

Go, squeeze there!

Squeeze there! Squeeze there! So, squeeze there, squeeze there,

squeeze there.

Think of the rhythm now.

Cambridge rhythm, we're sitting two seats down

and we're right on it.

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