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Hello, and welcome to DSR's Words Matter. I'm David Ruffkoff, and I am joined by

Norm Ornstein, who is not, to my knowledge, mentioned in any of the Epstein files so far. Is that

true, Norm? That is absolutely true. Never met the guy. Never wanted to meet the guy. Never wanted to

stop 15 year olds. Oh my God. And back when I was 15, the 15 year olds didn't do that kind of

stuff. So there you go. I'm sure when you were 15, the 15,

that no one wanted to sleep with the 15-year-olds. But that's another issue. This is not funny.

And in the sense that, you know, what's going on here is not just a cover-up, not just the

president trying to hide his past, but a lot of powerful

rich guys trying to game the system so that they're not held to account for what is

serial rape of lots of young girls below the age of consent. And it's been going on. I mean,

I think the first time Epstein was arrested was 2005. So that's

20 years ago. Trump was visiting Epstein and carrying on this way in the 90s. This has been going on

for decades. And even, you know, with Epstein dead, the cover-up continues.

You know, it's, I think your first point is such a critical one that this isn't just about Trump or even just about Epstein.

It's about all of the others who are the victimizers here, who by almost every thing we know, represent the elites of the society, the rich men,

who exploited young women and young boys, it appears, young girls and young boys, and managed

to keep it from going anywhere. But what we know when Epstein was arrested is that

Alex Acosta, who was then the U.S. attorney down there, and the lawyers for Epstein, excuse me,

including Alan Dershowitz, conspired knowing that there were serious crimes here without telling any of the

victims who had come forward to talk about how they had been preyed upon, to get a plea deal

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