The true phrase, if you will, should be quality over quantity, but quantity begets quality.

So you understand that you need to make a lot and don't worry about whether it's good or not.

Your goal is actually not to make something good.

It's just to make something.

And I think that is the first place that you could start,

is how do I just iterate and iterate and iterate?

And I'm not trying to necessarily make anything that is the final version.

I'm just trying to make more.

Because every time you make something, you're learning. And so what, you know, I'm just trying to make more because every time you make

something you're learning. And so what, you know, I'm a fan of math and logic and philosophy and all

that. What it boils down to is the more you make mathematically, statistically, the probability

that you'll get somewhere worth going increases. That wisdom was from Mr. Joey Cofone.

Now, if you have ever journaled, or as I do nearly every day in what I call morning pages,

been a journaler for a long time, a sketchbooker, if you've ever heard of the brand Barron

Fig, that is the company that Joey founded and is the CEO of

lifelong designer prior to that turned founder and CEO of Barron Fig. And he has a new book out

called The Laws of Creativity, which is full of wisdom and insight.

As someone who has written at length on creativity, I have a very high bar for other books

on creativity.

And Joey, the human and his most recent work of genius called The Laws of Creativity

is absolutely worth your time.

Today's conversation so rich and very, very tactical. These laws of

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