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🗓️ 19 November 2025
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Sis, what happens when God calls you to do the very thing you said you'd never do? In this heartfelt conversation, Sarah Jakes Roberts and Dr. Anita Phillips get transparent about friendship, obedience, and the cost of saying yes when it changes everything. From unexpected callings to public pressure, they unpack what it means to follow God into unfamiliar territory, redefine identity after loss, and keep showing up when you feel fragile.
It's funny, honest, and deeply spiritual—the kind of conversation that reminds you that obedience isn't about being perfect; it's about being dependent. So if you've been wrestling with God's instructions or trying to rebuild after a "yes" that shook your whole world, this one's for you.
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| 0:00.0 | Your purpose is the thing that requires you to fully depend on God so that his purposes can be performed through you. |
| 0:09.7 | It is going to require that I partner with God for everything. |
| 0:15.0 | PT texts me even said, you know, hey, do you have time to talk today? |
| 0:18.1 | I was like, yeah, I'm free. |
| 0:19.0 | And then the phone rang. |
| 0:19.8 | And I remember staring at the phone, like, this is a literal answer the call call. Like when I swipe and answer |
| 0:25.4 | this call, my whole life is going to shift. And so I answered. Hey, family, it's your girl, Kayla |
| 0:32.6 | Wanaki here. And I'm so excited to be hanging out with you on the Woman Evolve podcast this week. |
| 0:41.1 | We are stepping into the holiday season and with Thanksgiving just around the corner, |
| 0:47.4 | I've been doing a lot of reflecting on gratitude. |
| 0:50.6 | And if I'm honest, this year has been heavy. |
| 0:53.4 | But as I look back over the year, I can clearly see how God has carried me through it all. |
| 1:01.0 | And I'm so very grateful for my village, the ways in which I'm learning to love myself more like God does, and prioritizing health and wellness on a consistent basis. |
| 1:15.1 | Okay? Your girl is getting consistent and y'all will be so proud of me because I'm evolving |
| 1:21.2 | for real, for real. And although this year may have been challenging for so many of us, God has stretched us, |
| 1:30.0 | refined us, and blessed us in ways we didn't even see coming. |
| 1:35.6 | So my prayer is that you take a moment this week to slow down and truly thank God for the big things, |
| 1:44.1 | the small things, and all the quiet miracles in |
| 1:48.5 | between. Now, speaking of gratitude, today's episode is one we are truly thankful for. |
| 1:57.2 | Pastor Sarah sat down with our girl, Dr. Anita Phillips, and y'all already know they had a good girlfriend time full of kikis and heart checks as they get into all the deets on sisterhood, leadership, and calling. |
| 2:16.0 | Now, these two always leave us with something to think about. And I already know |
| 2:20.7 | I'm taking notes today because the gyms are going to be rich. Now, before we jump in, a quick reminder, |
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