The Cost of Ukraine

The Political Orphanage

Andrew Heaton

Comedy, Moderate, Politics, Independent, News, Nonpartisan, Libertarian

5 • 951 Ratings

🗓️ 9 February 2023

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

We're almost a year into the conflict in Ukraine. What does a conclusion look like? How much is costing in terms of money and lives, and to what end?

Author Ben Abelow joins to discuss the situation and his book, "How the West Brought War to Ukraine: Understanding How U.S. and NATO Policies Led to the Crisis, War, and the Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe."

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0:00.0	Hey, quick announcement before we start the show. I am going to be in San Francisco on March 1st with my good friends Justin Robert Young and Jen Briny.
0:11.6	We are the three hosts of the other podcast I do. We're not wrong
0:16.2	where I play a delightful pundent instead of a thought butler as I do here and
0:22.4	we have great conversations about politics and the news
0:25.8	and we are doing a live show March 1st at 8 p.m. in the Tenderloin District, the Scenic Tenderloin District, the scenic Tenderloin District in San Francisco at a place called
0:36.4	Piano Fight.
0:37.4	So if you were in that area, I would love to see you.
0:40.4	We will almost certainly hang out before or after the show. I would love to see some
0:44.9	friendly faces so if you're in Northern California come see us March 1st at
0:49.4	piano fight in San Francisco. Thanks. Hello and welcome to the political orphanage, a home for plucky misfits and problem solvers.
1:05.9	I'm your host Andrew Heaton.
1:08.5	Hey, remember Ukraine, that thing? Next week will be one year exactly since Russia invaded,
1:17.0	precipitating the largest conflict in Europe since World War II, even bigger than soccer rioting in France. From where I'm at,
1:27.0	the situation looks rather bleak. According to the people I've spoken with,
1:32.0	Ukrainians are understandably militant about defending their homeland.
1:36.3	It was one thing to concede partial autonomy or neutrality in the hope of avoiding war.
1:42.0	But now, to do anything short of completely pushing
1:45.6	Russia out of Ukrainian soil would be to admit that the death of thousands of
1:50.0	Ukrainian soldiers, let alone civilians, was for not.
1:54.4	So Ukraine is admirably digging in.
1:57.8	Ukraine won't back down, and I get it.
2:01.3	If I had a bunch of dead neighbors and cousins and half of Oklahoma were under foreign
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