The Cost of Telling the Truth | John Kiriakou | Ep. 446
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🗓️ 4 May 2026
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Summary
John Kiriakou spent 14 years at the CIA. He started as an analyst, went operational, and eventually ran counterterrorism work in Pakistan that led to the capture of Abu Zubaydah. He was the first U.S. government official to publicly confirm that the agency was waterboarding prisoners. For that, the Obama administration prosecuted him under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act and sent him to federal prison for 23 months. He lost his pension. He lost his career. Most of his kids stopped speaking to him. Today he writes books, hosts a podcast, and teaches a course on the history of terrorism.
We get into how the agency really works. Recruiting spies. Breaking into a house in a foreign country to plant a bug. The mentor who told him to walk up to a target's front door and sell him out to his face. Then we get into the part nobody at Langley wants to talk about. Torture. Rendition. The innocent people who got grabbed off planes and buses and never got their lives back.
We also cover Section 702, the Patriot Act, Iran, Iraq, and why no agency ever gives the power back.
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| 0:00.0 | Okay, got the red smoke. |
| 0:02.1 | Dr. |
| 0:03.5 | Gun runs. |
| 0:04.2 | North and south. |
| 0:05.7 | West of the smoke. |
| 0:06.7 | West of the smoke. |
| 0:08.7 | Okay, copy. |
| 0:09.7 | West of the smoke. |
| 0:10.7 | I'm looking at danger close now. |
| 0:12.7 | Come on winter, baby. |
| 0:13.7 | Give it to me. |
| 0:14.7 | I need it. |
| 0:15.7 | You're cleared hot. |
| 0:16.7 | Copy, cleared hot. |
| 0:17.7 | It's been fascinating to watch your journey over the last couple of years. |
| 0:22.8 | It's been kind of like that. |
| 0:24.5 | Well, that's, I think, just life. |
| 0:27.4 | I was thinking about, I was really looking forward to sitting down and talking with you. |
| 0:30.7 | Same here. |
| 0:31.2 | We originally, obviously, linked up over a change agent's episode. |
| 0:34.6 | They had a full page of production notes. |
| 0:37.0 | I don't think I even asked |
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