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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

The cost of saving pandas

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, News, Politics, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.610.8K Ratings

🗓️ 6 March 2023

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

The giant panda is no longer endangered. This, of course, is good news. But the model of conservation that worked to protect these iconic bears has failed to help the countless other threatened species on Earth, most of which are far less charismatic. Guest host Benji Jones talks with Jason Gilchrist, a wildlife ecologist. They discuss if there is another way we should approach conservation, what exactly we should be trying to save, and why. Host: Benji Jones (@BenjiSJones), Senior Environmental Reporter, Vox Guest: Jason Gilchrist (@jgilchrist13), ecologist and lecturer at Edinburgh Napier University References: “We pulled pandas back from the brink of extinction. Meanwhile, the rest of nature collapsed.” by Benji Jones (Vox, 2023) Enjoyed this episode? Rate The Gray Area ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of The Gray Area. Subscribe in your favorite podcast app. Support The Gray Area by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts This episode was made by: Engineer: Patrick Boyd Editorial Director, Vox Talk: A.M. Hall Special thanks to Katelyn Bogucki Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Benji Jones, a senior environmental reporter at VOX sitting in Fushon, Iline.

0:05.0

I write about climate change and the environment, and today I've got some good news.

0:11.0

The panda is no longer endangered.

0:14.7

I'm talking about those black and white bears that live in China and eat bamboo and are

0:18.6

extremely cute.

0:20.8

In 2021, China announced that the bears had been downgraded from endangered to vulnerable,

0:26.8

a less worrisome category after decades of conservation efforts.

0:32.0

This is a big deal.

0:34.0

Pandas are not only cute, but iconic.

0:37.5

They've come to represent threatened wild animals everywhere, which basically means

0:41.9

that the very symbol of endangered species is no longer endangered.

0:48.0

But I also have some less good news.

0:52.0

While everyone was busy saving pandas, the rest of nature kind of fell apart.

0:59.1

Ecosystems like coral reefs and tropical forests are collapsing.

1:04.7

Animals are now going extinct at an unprecedented rate.

1:08.4

It's frankly depressing.

1:11.5

I'm not saying that panda conservation is somehow to blame for the downfall of nature, but

1:17.1

as some experts see it, the model of conservation that's helped pandas hasn't actually worked

1:21.9

to sustain biodiversity at large.

1:25.0

Is there another way that we should be doing conservation?

1:27.7

I mean, what is it exactly that we're trying to save in the first place?

1:32.6

And why?

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