If you're a parent, you know this moment.

You look at your kid after making a simple request and they just say, no.

Or they escalate and say, you can't make me.

You're just trying to brush their teeth.

You're just trying to leave the playground.

You're just trying to have a simple transition moment of getting out the door.

And instead, it is a power struggle. And then

maybe you start telling other people. I have a defiant kid. My kid is so defiant. I love thinking

about this word defiance. And look, as a parent of three, I know these moments. They are so

inconvenient. They are so exhausting. And I think a lot of

us also think, I would have never done this when I was a kid. I was terrified of my parents.

I really felt this pressure to be good. You're going to love this conversation and it's going to

turn on its head so many of the things that we tend to accept as true.

I'm talking today with Dr. Sinita Sa.

She's a professor at Cornell and she wrote the book Defy, The Power of No in a World that Demands Yes.

Together we rethink defiance and compliance and we give you some totally new tips that you're going to find really helpful in your everyday life.

I'm Dr. Becky, and this is good inside. We'll be back right after this. Hi, Senita.

Hi, Becky.

It's wonderful to be here.

So happy to have you.

And honestly, it's just so rare that someone I'm talking to has written a book about the word,

essentially, that I think I'm asked about most from parents, right? Oh, my kid is so defiant.

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