we all live in these digital spaces.

And if it's a digital space,

we should have rights, whether we can code or not.

And I think that that is the shift that we need to kind of establish

and that software developers kind of didn't work towards

because they had the power that they want.

Yeah. want. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, made in partnership with The Nation

Magazine.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Tante.

You might remember I talked to Tante earlier this year.

We did a live recording at the Republica Conference in Berlin, but he's back on the show

to talk about a pretty cool topic, I think.

But before we talk about that, Tante is a sociotechnologist, writer, speaker, and Luddite

working on tech

and its social impact. So we've been talking a lot lately about the politics of technology, right?

In particular, looking at what these tech billionaires are up to because this has been in the

discussion so much because of the U.S. election. And while this episode is political, you know,

we do shift our focus quite a bit. And I thought that

this was almost like a good palate cleanser, so to speak, because we're talking about open source.

And in particular, some big issues that have come up in open source communities and open

source discussions recently. You know, I'm not going to claim to be some big expert on open

source communities. Tante is much more involved in that than I am,

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