I'm Ben Sawyer and this is the Road to Now.

Good people.

This week on The Road to Now, we are sharing an episode from a few years ago that struck me as incredibly relevant.

And listening back to it has really got me thinking about

what's going on right now. The episode is a conversation with Dr. Andrew Copleman. He is John

Paul Stevens Professor of Law and Professor of Political Science at Northwestern University,

an author of the book Burning Down the House, How Libertarian Philosophy Was Corrupted by Delusion and Greed.

This conversation is so...

So let me just back up here, guys.

I don't usually do these up fronts very much.

Don't usually do a lot of the talking, you know, without talking to somebody.

But let me back up to say, many of you might remember from the New Year episode that I went in for cancer surgery.

And yet I've been popping back up in the episodes I have.

Happy to say, friends, it was a long surgery.

But as of today and as of actually, you know, shortly thereafter, it was confirmed, I am now in remission

and I'm feeling really good. They definitely cut up my abs a lot. And so like a lot of the recovery

that I've been going through has been building back that strength. But I have been going through

this recovery period, even as all America seems itself to be in need

of some type of recovery. I've stepped back and not said a whole lot about it just because of,

you know, wanting to make sure my mind's right before I, before I kind of make any type of statements.

In an upcoming episode, Bob and I are planning to talk about this in like a Benin' Bob episode.

But for now, good Lord, what is going on with tariffs?

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