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Hey, it's Sean. Today we're running one of my favorite episodes. It's with Musa Al Garby. He's a professor at Stony Brook University and the author of We Have Never Been Woke. The book, Like the Convers conversation, isn't really about the ideology of

wokeness, whatever that is. It's more about the language and the symbols around the movement

and how elites have co-opted them, which, as you say, this is much more than a superficial

critique of woke politics. Anyway, it's terrific, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

There are several terms in our political vocabulary that have been stretched to the point of incoherence.

Marxist and Orwellian spring immediately to mind. But at this moment, I'm not sure any term can

compete with woke. Whether you're on the left or the right, whether you're pro or anti-woke,

or even if you're not especially political and don't follow this stuff.

Woke is a word you simply cannot escape. The problem is that woke has become a catch-all term,

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