Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics at Talbot School

of Theology here at Biola University.

And I'm your co-host Sean Macau, Professor of Christian Apologetics at Talbot School

of Theology Biola University.

We're here with our guest today, Pastor Mark DeMaz, who is the directional leader and lead

pastor of Mosaic Church of Central Arkansas, just outside Little Rock and

president of the Mosaic's Global Network, convener of the once every three years National

Multiethic Church Conference. He also serves as adjunct professor at Gordon

Conwell Seminary. He's the author of two incredibly insightful books. the first one called Disruption,

repurposing the church to redeem the community.

And the one we want to feature today, which is brand new,

it will just be out, called the Coming Revolution in Church economics, but it's the subtitle

that really caught my attention.

Why Tides and offerings are no longer enough and what you can do about it. So Mark, thank you so much for being with us. I really

appreciate you coming on with us today. Hey, my pleasure, Scott, Sean. So honored to be with you and

look forward to the conversation.

Now, tell us a little bit about when you planted a mosaic church,

because as I read in both of your books, you did something that was pretty outside the box when you and your team planted

the church.

You went into an under-resourced area, sat out an abandoned building, things that most people

don't do when they're planning churches.

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