Because you know, part of living in capitalism is that society happens behind the backs of the actors, behind the backs of all of us.

We do things that have kind of an effect on the world that we can't completely grasp.

I mean, if we could, then we could just solve all the problems, right?

If we could know that what we're doing just leads to whatever outcome we want for it,

then we wouldn't have any of these issues I mean it's

kind of like if you could win the stock market somebody would have done it that

sort of idea it's kind of silly but it's true.

And what strikes me Andy in your own position about this is that it seems as though as much as...

And Sean I don't know how much you agree with Andy, so I don't want to put words in your mouth. I just know what Andy said on the panel. So I'm kind of working from that and you guys seem to have some level of agreement, but you know, don't want to speak for you Sean as much as there's kind of a desire for like

openness openness to the spontaneous action of the working class or something or of the

people you guys are also very close to certain things,

like the truckers or I don't know,

Trump voters, these sorts of things.

I mean, there's lots of spontaneous discontent with the status quo and a lot of it is

being led politically by somebody like Donald Trump and some of it's being organized by the

Democrats and that's you know really I mean who is it who's going around

Now trying to reform the police or get rid of the police you fund them on some level.

It's like some wing of the Democratic Party.

Obviously, it's not all of them.

Right, obviously it's not.

And that demand does have something, you know, more than what, you know,

either of these parties might be doing in it but at the same time that doesn't you know that does not

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