All right, so let me set the scene last Thursday. I was invited to be on this panel graciously by our guest today, Aaron Haygood.

And it was at this historic church in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, a neighborhood that is largely Polish, but also a lot of Ukrainian people and this church was just packed all the pews were full

There were people hanging off the wrappers. Yeah fire department came and had to kick some people out, but we snuck them back in the side door.

But, you know, I had to yell at the organizers,

I know him, I know one of the panelists, and finally I was able to push myself into the crowded room.

Everybody was gathered to hear some of those the most important leaders of the communist movement today.

One of the leaders of the Communist Party of Great Britain, one of the

leaders of the the Bolshevik tendency, which is I think we all agree the rightful

inheritors of Trotsky's fourth international, and of course me one of the most influential figures in

the anti-authoritarian movements they wanted to know our position on the war

that's broken out in Europe and what they should tell their fellow workers and their cadres to prepare the next steps.

If you refuse to support the capitalist war machine, they will follow your example, and if the workers of the world stand together, the war can be stopped.

The war can be stopped.

The war is going to be stopped.

This is important.

You're doing, we'll join you. We each spoke. One person believed that we should defend the invasion and the actions of Putin.

We each spoke. One person believed that we should defend the invasion and the actions of Putin.

Another was not in favor of the invasion,

but had some strong positions

about what an anti-war movement should look like.

And then I kind of said my normal thing

about the George Floyd uprising and the Kazakhstan

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