You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

This week, Dan continues a conversation with his friend Rick McGuire, who recently left a successful career at Microsoft to pursue work helping others as a life coach.

Rick and Dan talk about what is required to walk with someone

through significant moments and decisions in life, and what it means to move deeper into our

calling and grow into who we were created to be. Well, I'm together with my friend Rick,

and we're going to jump into this question of the intersection of

coaching, counseling, the value of having a guide to walk with you as you're reflecting on

future decisions with regard to your career, life, marriage, a whole sort of thing.

So for people who don't know what a life coach is, and I'll confess, I've only looked

tangentially at what that really means. Tell us, what do you do?

Yeah, yeah. So coaching broadly, and it was a new category for me

you know as I thought about what do I feel like I'm being you know called out to do in this next

season of my work life at the time before I had a category for coaching, it was really around being with people around

helping them move into a future that is richer and more impactful for them. Often, my professional

experience had me doing that in a work setting. I would do a lot of mentoring. I would get people

come to me and be thinking about

where do I go next and what should I be looking at and how do I sort that with where I am

personally and some things that I'm going through in my life. Often it would be people who were

a little younger, a little earlier in their lives, you know, young kids,

have my balance in young kids, got these things I want to do in the creative part of my life,

trying to build a career, you know, all that kind of thing.

And, you know, someone said to me, who was involved in coaching, said,

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