You're listening to the Allender Center podcast with Dr. Dan Allender.

This week, Dan is joined by his friend Rick McGuire, who recently left a successful career at Microsoft to pursue work helping others as a life coach.

Rick and Dan talk about what happens when you find new clarity about your life that leaves you facing a potentially foolish risk.

What does it look like to live a big, bold, beautiful life?

I have the distinct privilege of being with a friend and an elder at the church that I attend, Rick McGuire.

And Rick joins me as a man who's made, I think, some relatively radical decisions.

Is it okay, Rick, if I say that you're mid-aged or would it be appropriate to say that you might be just a little over mid-age?

A little over mid-age.

I hope to get into my hundreds, but we'll see about that.

So 50s would be at least a range.

Yes, that's a good range.

That's a good range.

And Rick has always impressed me, not only as a writer of a GS-1200 BMW, but as a man of wisdom, certainly a man of great heart for Jesus, but also a person who has made, at least in my somewhat watchful...

From your vantage.

From my vantage, some significant decisions that are fairly unusual.

And the most recent one is that you left an excellent job in a startup company in Seattle called Microsoft. And that well-designed company

gave you a solid income, good benefits, and meaningful work. And you quit. Yes, that's true.

And we'll talk a little bit more about it, probably at the end of this show, but also

in a second episode, talking about your work as a life coach, and what that means, what it

looks like, particularly I want to think with you as to the

implications of what a life coach does that's different than a therapist, and yet the overlapping

work has a lot of value. From my standpoint, so much of the kind of end work I do with a client ends up being a lot of what I perceive

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