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Welcome again, Clay Travis Buck Sexton.

Appreciate you guys hanging out with us as we roll through the Thursday edition of the program.

Join now by, this is a good title, I think, filmmaker, author, and host of the Dinesh D'Souza podcast.

He is Dinesh D'Souza.

What do you like more, the title, filmmaker or author?

Well, you know, to be honest, I've been an author for almost 30 years.

My first book came out in 1991.

It actually popularized the phrase political correctness. It was called illiberal education. I've written, I don't know, 17, 18 books,

but I only got into movies in 2012 when I made my first film on Obama called Obama's America,

2016 Obama's America. And I've done five films since then. So I really

like both, but I think author has been my defining kind of title for most of my career.

We appreciate you joining us. I want to start off with this question. Does COVID madness ever

end? You've seen a lot of different storylines in your career, as you said, since you wrote

that first book back in 1991, trends come and go.

It doesn't seem like we can escape COVID, will we?

Well, I think what you have is the real story of COVID is not the epidemic.

There is a real virus and and there is an epidemic.

But how we got the virus, what is the precise nature of this virus, what is the best way to deal with it?

Is it really necessary to lock down the whole economy?

What I'm talking about is the way in which the epidemic has been politically massaged and manipulated.

I mean, even the 2020 election, the way it was handled is inconceivable without COVID.

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