The Christchurch Call, Two Years On
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 20 May 2021
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
In March 2019, a shooter carried out two mass killings at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, livestreaming the first shooting on Facebook. Two months later, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and French President Emmanuel Macron convened the Christchurch Call—a commitment joined by both governments and technology companies “to eliminate terrorist and violent extremist content online.”
It’s now been two years since the Christchurch Call. To discuss those years and what comes next, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic of the Arbiters of Truth series of the Lawfare Podcast spoke with Dia Kayyali, who serves as a co-chair of the Advisory Network to the Christchurch Call, a group of civil society organizations that work to ensure that the signatories to the Call consider a more diverse range of expertise and perspectives when implementing its commitments. Dia is a long-time digital rights activist and the associate director for advocacy at Mnemonic, an organization that works to preserve online documentation of human rights abuses. What has their experience been like as a voice for civil society in these conversations around the Call? What should we make of the recent decision by the Biden administration to sign the United States on to the call? And what are the risks of potentially over-aggressive moderation in an effort to take down “terrorist” content?.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:33.9 | We cannot try to challenge terrorism without looking at the history of abuses that have been |
| 0:40.2 | committed in the name of doing so. |
| 0:42.3 | I've already seen that take place in the physical world and I've seen it take place from |
| 0:48.0 | a surveillance perspective and I cannot abide that taking place in the content moderation |
| 0:53.1 | world. |
| 0:54.1 | I'm Quinted Jurassic and this is the LawFair podcast, May 20th, 2021. |
| 1:02.7 | Today we're bringing you another episode of our Arbitives of Truth series on our online |
| 1:06.6 | information ecosystem. |
| 1:08.9 | In March 2019, a shooter carried out two mass killings at mosques in Christchurch, New |
| 1:14.2 | Zealand, live streaming the first shooting on Facebook. |
| 1:18.7 | Two months later, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and French President Emmanuel |
| 1:23.9 | Macron convened the Christchurch call, a commitment joined by both governments and technology |
| 1:29.4 | companies to eliminate terrorist and violent extremist content online. |
| 1:35.0 | It's now been two years since the Christchurch call. |
| 1:38.2 | To discuss those years and what comes next, Evelyn Duac and I spoke with Dia Calei, who |
| 1:43.6 | serves as a co-chair of the advisory network to the Christchurch call, a group of civil |
| 1:48.8 | society organizations that work to ensure that the signatories to the call consider a |
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