We're back with Francis Chan.

He joins us from San Francisco.

Francis and his wife Lisa are the authors of the new book, You and Me Forever, Marriage

and Light of Eternity.

And in the book, you write, Francis, quote, if you'd rather watch your kids grow up, then

see the face of your savior today.

You don't grasp the beauty of God, end quote.

And on the same page, you write this quote, I bet that at least 95% of American Christians

would choose not to leave their families today if they were given the choice to be with

Jesus instead.

Those sentences have some Philippians 1-21 punch to them, but I get the impression that

you and Lisa and your five kids enjoy a pretty sweet relationship.

I mean, how is your family more healthy, the more Jesus takes center stage in your family?

Yeah, actually, I have six kids.

My seventh is on the way in a couple of weeks, so it's busy, and we have other people living

with us as well.

And I love being with my kids.

They are so fun.

I mean, so much laughter is great, but the more I spend time with Jesus, first of all, the

more my wife and kids like me, okay?

My wife will tell me, gosh, why don't you go read some more, you know, it's those periods

when she knows I've had my time with the Lord, it's just I'm more of a delight, I guess,

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