Hi and welcome to the A16Z podcast. I'm Doss with an episode that we recorded at our

A16Z Innovation Summit late last year. In it I look at how the role of Chief

Security Officer or CIS, has moved from technical IT to the boardroom,

with two security leaders whose own careers have evolved as the role has.

Joe Sullivan, former CSO at Uber and Facebook, who's now at Cloudflare, and Joel

Dela Garza, the current security partner at A16Z, who is formerly the Cesso at Box.

We discuss how the role has changed, what that means for crisis response from red

teaming to Combs, and what responsibility Cloud and SAS vendors, not to mention the government,

should have insecurity and data breaches.

But first we talk about how much information security itself has changed.

Joel speaks first, followed by Joe.

When I first started working in security, you would generally have a CSO that reported somewhere

under workforce IT, like a very focused, I will make sure your laptop is secure, and that was security

probably 20 years ago. I had to study

the nature and design of chain link fences that was protecting my data center

right? Like that was very much a part of the curriculum if you wanted to get into

information security was understanding

physical barriers.

We no longer run data centers.

Everything's in Amazon, everything's in Google, everything's in Microsoft.

The world has gotten more complicated, technically.

And there's a combination of factors there.

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