Welcome to the Trial UK. I'm Caroline Cheatham.

And I'm Liz Hall. We'll be back to the podcast.

Liz, you and I are recording this on Sunday afternoon. And we should just say, Liz, it's you and I today because Nick Fage, who of course has been covering the Chris Tribus trial with me, he's still at Winchester Crown Court. Now, what's happening at the moment is the jury are about to be sent out to start their deliberations. They're still

being addressed by the judge in the main, that sort of legal directions and how they should go

about their deliberations. But once he's finished, which is expected to happen in the next,

well certainly by close of play today, which is Tuesday, we're expecting

the jury to be out. Then they'll start considering their verdicts. And whenever they come back

with a decision in the next few days or weeks, we will be back on the podcast, Nick and I,

to bring you that episode. But today, Liz and I, we're going to talk about something different.

And Liz, it is about Lucy Lettby again. You've written a piece for the paper about this story

that we got wind of a couple of days ago. And effectively, I suppose, we'll explain it in a minute,

but it's an almighty row, isn't it, between David Davis MP,

a man who is leading really the charge to see Lucy Lett be freed from prison,

says she is innocent of the charges of which she's been convicted, and in an unprecedented

way, really, the chief constable of Cheshire Police, Mark Roberts.

So let's go back to March the 26th and talk us through where this all started,

and then we'll work out how we got where we are.

So you might remember a couple of weeks ago, Sir David Davis had a German debate just before Easter,

and he stood up and kind of made some more points, really, about Cheshire Police and how they

got the investigation into Lucy Lettby wrong, essentially. He effectively was saying that

Cheshire Police's investigation into Lucy

Lettby was biased and flawed, that they'd focus too much on Lucy Lettby as their prime

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