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The Nocturnists

The Chaplain and the Doctor with Chaplain Betty Clark & Jessica Zitter, MD

The Nocturnists

Emily Silverman

Medicine, Personal Journals, Society & Culture, Health & Fitness

4.8614 Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Physician Jessica Zitter and chaplain Betty Clark to explore their partnership and the making of their film The Chaplain and The Doctor. The documentary, set in Oakland's Highland Hospital, captures the real work of palliative care and spiritual care, alongside a growing friendship between two women who cross lines of race, power, and professional hierarchy. They discuss what it means to listen with compassion, how bias and racism manifest at the bedside, and how storytelling, humility, and friendship can become acts of healing. From funny hospital moments to scenes of deep moral reckoning, this episode shows how two healers learn from each other, and how humanity itself can be the best medicine.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is how women's health has been for decades.

0:04.0

People aren't studying women because they have this excuse that it's too complicated.

0:10.0

In the beginning, I think they tried to treat us like,

0:13.0

just don't worry your pretty little head about this.

0:16.0

Just run along and we'll take care of the science.

0:18.0

So this lack of insight makes women poorer.

0:22.4

This community had been there all along in the shadows,

0:25.3

and we'd all just kind of been dealing with it.

0:27.6

In the shadows.

0:29.0

You know that spot, right?

0:33.2

But despite the obstacles, things are changing.

0:37.3

Women's health is not half of health care.

0:40.1

We are more than half the market.

0:42.3

Someone should be doing this, so why not me?

0:46.0

I'm Golda Arthur, and this is overlooked.

0:48.6

A podcast with a point of view that women's health cannot wait, not anymore.

0:54.7

And this season, we're bringing you stories and conversations with people who are moving the needle.

1:01.2

Scientists who are doing some wild things right now in women's health.

1:04.6

It is unusual.

1:06.9

We are collecting menstrual blood because it is just a source of so many great cell types and biomarkers.

1:15.3

Researchers who are learning more about Alzheimer's and women, this made me think, oh my gosh, Alzheimer's disease could start as soon as the brain stops developing.

1:26.3

And men who are stepping up.

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