All right, welcome listeners to episode 120 of Know Your Enemy. I'm Matt Sitman, your podcast co-host,

and I'm here as always with my great friend Sam other bell. Hey, Sam. Hi, Matt. We are introducing

an episode we recorded earlier this week with Ocita Wenevoo, who I'm sure his writing will be

familiar to many of our listeners. He's been on the podcast before

to talk about Tom Wolfe, the novelist. He's a contributing editor at the New Republic,

a columnist at The Guardian, and the Democratic Institutions Fellow at the Roosevelt Institute.

And he came on to talk about his new book, The Right of the People, Democracy, and the case for a new American

founding. Great book. Really enjoyed reading it. Really enjoyed talking to Ossita. We end up

talking a lot about why democracy is good, whether America is a democracy, how it might become

one, if not. There's a lot of meat to chew on in this one. It's kind of a mix of history, political theory, arguments about democracy. I think everyone

should read this book. There's so much useful kind of weighing of arguments. I was impressed

with it in that sense, and I just want to say, too, even if some listeners don't like the book.

Or, you know, in this conversation,

I had some quibbles, you know, he took a pot shot at Tocqueville. Maybe, yeah, I wanted to nuance his

reading of the Federalist papers here, there. But I want to say, like, we should be encouraging

more books like this that are ambitious. I just think that's, like, a noble and worthy approach to a book. Be ambitious.

Yeah, I think this book is really a serious accomplishment, like that one of the things

that's so admirable about it is that it really does translate an enormous amount of

sort of potentially abstract or abstruse kind of political science literature about democracy

into a really popular and, like,

readable idiom in the prose in this book. And I think that's like a really great service to do for your

reader and for American readers in general. So buy this book. Yes. And before we get some housekeeping

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