I think that this movie has a liberal sensibility.

I don't necessarily mean that as a criticism,

but it focuses on the procedures and the honesty of people going through their procedures, right?

Removing politics from proceduralism.

People trying to do their best and be honest,

and you see the same thing in Conclave, let's do the procedure right. He's like a Jim Comey hero. A hero who is inside of the thing,

recognizes something criminal or not according to the rules going on, and then diligently

tries to undo it. Right, right. And the thing about it is, is that in actual point of fact, there was a whole social,

almost revolution that happens during the Dreyfus affair.

And what's fascinated me about it was the political alliance that was formed between,

let's just for the sake of simplicity, call them liberals, and the socialists.

The socialists begin the affair by saying, look, liberals, and the socialists. The socialists begin the affair

by saying, look, this is between the bourgeoisie. Then many socialists realize that French

Republic, the freedoms that had been secured for workers, were under threat by the kind of right-wing

cabal that was forming around trying to frame up Dreyfus. It was this unholy

alliance of the army and these extremely reactionary sections of the church and the bureaucracy.

And the literal inventors of anti-Semitism in its political form. Yeah, exactly. And Jean-Gerese,

the main thinker behind this, and he had to kind of throw the weight of the socialists and the workers behind

Dreyfus's cause. And I just think that that's fascinating from a political standpoint where

many of the people who went to form the Popular Front in France got their beginnings as Dreyfuss

art. The other thing that I thought was so resonant and brings us into the 20th century

is these are the first people, the people who became anti-dryfussars and kind of built a whole

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