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We are joined today by E. Calvin Bisner and David Legates.

Legates, I got it right because on the second try because David told me before we started taping here that it was like Bill Gates. So the case is called Climate, the book is called Climate and Energy, they're the editors of a super interesting new collection.

It was called Climate and Energy, The Case for Realism.

Welcome to you both.

Thank you very much. Thank you, nice to be here.

Yeah, no, absolutely.

So I'll start with you, Cal.

If you could just tell us a little bit about your background

and your career before we dive in, and then I'll go to you David that would be

awesome. I guess you could call me a mongrel a mutt an intellectual mutt. I have a lot of academic background in philosophy and classical history and classical languages in economics and economic ethics and political philosophy in history but also in theology

and probably have done more work, though not in a formal academic setting, on environmental

science and environmental stewardship, and particularly on climate change than anything that I did for my PhD.

So I'm an interdisciplinary guy and I have the great fun of getting to work with the roughly 70 different

scholars, about a third of them natural scientists, about a third economic economists

and a third philosophers and theologians who are associated with the Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation.

I get to pull together all the different perspectives that they bring on various different problems.

Awesome. David, how about you?

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