You're going to go. We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jishinsky

Culture Editor here at the Federalist as always you can email the show at radio at the Federalist.

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version of our website the Federalist.com as well. Today I'm so happy to be

joined by my colleague John Daniel Davidson who's out with a new piece in the spectator called

the case for cartel wars and I think I tread lightly and approach any subject that I disagree with John Daniel Davidson with the utmost humility.

But I think John this might be maybe the one thing non-religious thing that we disagree on so I'm eager to break this down and I think you might be able to convince me by the end of it. So welcome to the show first of all.

Thanks for having me Emily. Always a pleasure to talk with you. I thought you were going to say this might be the

worst thing you've ever written. I thought I literally thought that's what you were going to say. And I was going to like, yeah, let's get into it.

Why is it the worst thing I've ever?

I would have said that privately first.

Okay, okay, well, yeah, I never know.

But yeah, yeah, just give me a heads up.

Yeah, let's talk about it.

So by way of background, our listeners should know that I've been to the border many times,'ve written about the border I think I started

writing about the border about 10 years ago when there was that first influx of

unaccompanied minors that showed up during the Obama administration and everyone sort of didn't understand what was happening or why.

And I didn't understand what was happening, so I started writing about it and researching.

And you joined me at the border. When was that a year and a half ago?

I lose track of time.

I'm very old.

I really hate to bring this to I think it was two or three years ago.

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