Hi, I'm Helen Duffer, the host of the Squiggly Careers podcast.

And over the next week, we're going to bring you a series focused on a brilliant and best-selling new book, Open to Work, with Anish Raman. Together, we are going to talk about the Five Seas, and Anish is going to tell you a bit more about those in a moment, that are going to help you to get ahead in the age of AI. Anish, welcome to the SquigglyCrow's podcast. Thank you for having me.

I have been such a fan of your work for years, and it's in the middle of this book, a lot of the Squiggly Line thoughts. So I'm just excited to be here. So let's tease people with what they're going to hear about over the week. What are the five C's? Five C's are what makes us us, what sits at the intersection of IQ and EQ of consciousness and conscience,

curiosity, creativity, compassion, courage and communication.

And so what we're going to do over the week is every day we're going to take one of those Cs.

We're going to talk about what it is and why it matters in a bit more depth, like what's different now in the age of AI.

And for our audience who love actions, they love things that they could do, we're going to think about what can they go and do differently so they can develop that skill even more. Great. So I'm looking forward to getting started. I can't wait to show the conversation with everyone. Yeah, me too. Okay, An niche is day one of our series on Open to Work.

I was just thinking we didn't introduce you properly to everybody.

So you are the chief economic opportunity officer for LinkedIn.

And I think because LinkedIn is sort of at the intersection of so much data and research,

it gives you a really unique perspective on the world of work and what people

need now. How did the insights help you to come up with the five Cs? Yeah, you know, we are in the

middle of a really charged conversation, I think, around AI and work, and it's fueling a lot of

fear. I think, worst of all, it's fueling this fatalism that everything's predetermined and that for a lot of us, this is the end of the road. Humans are done at work. And so when we're seeking to push back on that to try and present a different story that we could take to make us less anxious and give us more agency, we have to start with this question of what makes us us. What are the unique human capabilities

that we want to bring to work as AI takes some of the old work, the efficiency work, the drudgery,

the places where we've been trying to out-machine machines? And so we talked to neuroscientists,

we talked to organizational psychologists, to behavioral economists. We read works from researchers

like you about the squiggly line and I am a squiggly, squiggly

line career.

So I felt very seen as I started to read your work.

But we sort of landed on these five Cs because we felt that each represented a distinct nature of who we are,

again at the intersection of IQ, EQ, consciousness and conscience, but that who we are at our

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