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From Wondery, I'm Matt Ford and I'm Alice Levine.

And this is British Scandal.

So, Alice, some of the past few episodes have been following the story of John Darwin and his crazy plan to fake his own death by looking like he drowned in a canoe accident.

Yeah, it doesn't sound any say-ner now that you've said it again.

And of course, his wife Ann, who, for some unknown reason, went along with his plan till the very end.

It's a crazy story. What are the main things you take away from it?

I'm glad you asked. First and foremost, always read this more print of your insurance policies before you fake your own death.

Secondly, don't trust a man with rock violas.

Don't trust rock violas.

Angry dogs.

Horrible.

I'm sure there are nice rock violas before we have letters of complaint.

And amnesia is actually harder to act than you think.

Yes, and if you are running away, don't take a grinning photo in an estate agent's office that's going to go on the internet.

That's rule one.

Even if you're in Panama.

Anyway, we ended the story with both John and Ann locked up in prison.

But one thing we didn't really cover over the past few episodes is how the police put them there.

So we wanted to talk to someone who knew all about that.

And next, we're John by the man who headed up the case into John and Ann.

The former detective superintendent who was in charge of the Cleveland murder squad, Tony Hutchinson.

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