Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day

from the chaos in Kirstarmer's government, and that's according to Culture Secretary, Lisa Nandi,

to where the politics could learn from the top-tier football by ruthlessly sacking the manager.

And joining me are two top-tier columnists from the Times and they are

Fraser Nelson hello Fraser hi how you keeping very well yeah clinging on just about it's not too

upset by what's happening in number 10 it's a longstanding man of the left as journalists say it's

it's great for trade it's not great for the country but uh And we're also joined by Sonia Soda. Sonia, hello. Hi there. How are you keeping? Have you been? I'm very well, thanks. Yep, good. Okay, well, we've got a lot of cover, so let's crack on smartly. And I do want to start, of course, with the trouble Kirstarmer is in on pretty much every front, really. as for commentary on the state of the government, we turn to the serving cabinet minister

Lisa Nandi, she's spoken to the Guardian and said, you call it an, and I have to spell this

out, an S, star, star, star, star, T show. I say it's unforgivable. I want to get the words

right because it's really important. It does look to people outside that we're more interested in ourselves and less interested in preventing chaos. That follows

her appearance on Times Radio Drive last night when she said this. Some of the briefings have

absolutely been dripping with misogyny. You know, you hear these things about with, you know,

we're lazy. We spend too much time with our kids. We don't spend enough time with our kids.

We, you know, you really can't win. But it's actually, in the end, it's designed to try to keep us down and to try and stop us from being heard.

Fraser, who's she talking about? She's talking about her colleagues. She's talking about the system around the prime minister.

I mean, when people sort of, you know, tilt at some sort of like nebulous forces that are keeping them down, when it's actually the people they're going to work with every day. It's a bit weird.

Yeah, that's why you have to do a bit of a double take when you're hearing Lately St. Andy there.

I mean, she was asked again in another interview to sort of rate the cabinet on a scale of 110 or how proud she has to be in it.

And she was saying, like, what's below one?

You know, this is... another interview to sort of rate the cabinet on a scale of 110 or how proud she has to be in it.

And she was saying, like, what's below one? You know, this is somebody who pretty much is in semi-open defiance against a curious army. Now, this is the problem. It's funny that the,

the Tory sort of set what now turns out to be a template of political self-destruction. You know, you make a botched leadership attempt that you talk about who's going to, you involve yourself and this psychodrama. I mean, the vote for Keir-Starmer was to a large extent of vote against the kind of psychodrama that the Tory descended into. The whole pitch was that we're going to be sensible, we're going to be grown-ups, we're going to govern on a way that we're not trying to stab each other the whole time. And now, by surviving the sort of botched coup attempt earlier on this week, Kirsterm was going to be in a never-ending cycle of reprisals. So it won't be long until we get somebody popping up attacking. Lisa Nandeeva is saying what she's saying. And this is going to go on for quite some time. Sonia, the fact that they've sort of launched straight into the Matthew Doyle peerage scandal, just as they began to, I mean, not they're ever going to emerge from it, but sort of begin to be clawing their way almost out of the Peter Mandelson scandal. You know, Matthew Doyle,

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