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The Bull Market In Cash Is Coming...

Money Tree Investing

Money Tree Investing Podcast

Stockmarket, Valuestocks, Investing, Finance, Passiveincome, Wealth, Business, Personalfinance

4.6658 Ratings

🗓️ 28 November 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

A bull market in cash is coming! Gary Zimmerman, founder and CEO of Max, explains how he discovered major inefficiencies in the cash-deposit market and built a platform that helps clients earn higher yields while staying fully FDIC-insured. We explore how broker-dealer incentives shaped the "always be invested" mindset, why RIAs take a more fiduciary approach to cash, and how most advisors dramatically underestimate how much cash clients actually hold in outside bank accounts.

We also dive into the strategic role of cash in portfolios, the psychology and behavioral finance behind loss aversion, and why many investors keep cash in low-yield big banks despite far better options.

We discuss...

  • Gary Zimmerman shares his path from aspiring biochemist to investment banker and ultimately founder of Max.
  • Gary describes how Max helps advisors and clients earn higher yields on cash while staying fully FDIC-insured.
  • The conversation highlights the structural differences between broker-dealers and fiduciary RIAs in how they treat cash.
  • Cash is both the "worst" asset class (low returns) and the "best" (strategic flexibility and optionality).
  • Gary emphasizes that many advisors are unaware of large "held-away" cash balances clients keep at big banks.
  • Research shows high-net-worth households keep roughly 25% of their liquid assets in cash—far above portfolio models.
  • Behavioral finance plays a major role as clients publicly want risk but privately hoard cash for emotional comfort.
  • Cash helps investors sleep better, reduce loss-aversion anxiety, and feel less trapped in work or life decisions.
  • Gary explains that deposit pricing inefficiency exists because large banks don't need or want more deposits.
  • The system also keeps client deposits below insurance limits by spreading funds across multiple banks.
  • They explore how most households either have no emergency reserve or keep excessive idle cash earning too little.
  • Cash reserve needs vary dramatically by life stage, career stability, and complexity of financial obligations.
  • Senior professionals may need years of cash cushion because job searches take longer at higher levels.
  • Behavioral mistakes in downturns often stem from being over-invested relative to one's psychological risk capacity.
  • Gary argues that post-pandemic money-supply expansion suggests more inflation is still embedded in the system.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Money Tree Investing Podcast.

0:04.8

Stock market, wealth, personal finance, value stocks, invest in your life.

0:10.8

Hello, Smart Money Tree Podcast listeners.

0:12.6

Welcome to this week show.

0:13.6

My name's Kirk Chisholm and I'll be your host.

0:15.9

And today I'm joined with Gary Zimmerman.

0:18.6

How you doing at Gary?

0:19.8

Hi, Chuck.

0:20.5

How are you? Nice to see you.

0:21.9

Great. Glad to have you in the show. This is going to be a fun interview. For those of you who don't know Gary, Gary, tell us a bit about your background. I'm the founder and CEO of a company called Max, or Max My Interest, is our URL. But it's really quite an accidental company. I entered college as a biochemistry major, thinking that I wanted to do medical research, but quickly found that economics was my calling.

0:42.6

And after graduation, I followed a pretty traditional path as an investment banker, and I stayed for 15 years. I really loved my clients. I love the challenge. I love learning about new industries. But during the financial

0:54.9

crisis, I stumbled upon what I ultimately found to be a massive inefficiency in the market for

1:01.6

bank deposits. I left my job at the bank about a dozen years ago to see if we could pull together

1:06.8

a solution for it. And today, we're now serving clients in all 50 states and working with

1:13.3

financial advisors at about 3,000 wealth management firms nationwide, all helping their clients do

1:18.4

better with their cash. Cash is an interesting thing. I've been doing this for 26 years now,

1:24.2

and I can tell you through my different experiences, I've had different

1:28.1

experiences with cash. I remember when I was at Payne Weber and Smith Barney, they had a very

1:33.8

distinct view that cash is not good. And you should always be invested, should always be invested

1:39.9

in the markets or something. And it was a more broker-dealer-centric view of always be invested all

1:46.1

the time. There's no place for cash. You couldn't do discretionary trading except for one program

1:52.1

and you had to qualify. And if you did, I think the most cash you could have is like one and a half

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