Welcome to another segment of Beyond the Grassy and O.

We have the brothers with us today, and you're thinking it's the brothers Collins, but it's not.

It's the brothers Eckstein, and you've not heard them before.

They're an interesting duo.

They're both involved in higher education, like on the collegiate level, and, you know, they get it also.

I'll just say this with Jacob.

He's an instructor at Penn State.

His interests include the analysis of social control and manipulation through historical

illuminous symbolism.

He's also interested in investigating the extent to which all cultural narratives and current

explanations of current events constitute the greatest, quote, conspiracy, unquote, in the history

of the genre. With Aaron, he's an instructor at Missouri University of Science and Technology.

I believe that's in Rala. I spent a week one night in Rala. His interests

include constructing enormous murals of art depicting the symbolic expression of an

luminous history, utilizing the symbols and images we see every day through mass media outlets.

Now that's two big mouthfuls, but I tell you what, we got time to talk about this, and that's

why they're on the show. I'll only say this, to Jacob, go lions, to Aaron, go miners.

So I got that right, didn't I not?

Yeah.

All right.

Well, I'll tell you what.

What you both have mentioned embraces a number of other people who have come on the show to talk about all this

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