Welcome to the broad experience. I'm Ashley Milne Tite.

This week it's an all-man show. I realized it had been quite a while since I had any men

on the podcast at all, so I decided to invite a small panel of guys I knew were interested

in this stuff to discuss the relationship between men and women in the workplace, men as caregivers,

women bashing on the internet, and more.

The fact that the only way you can spout off this misogynistic gunk is online anonymously

because you're actually afraid to say what you really think in front of other people, men and women.

I think this is a sign of progress.

Coming up on the broad experience.

To set the scene, Catalyst, the nonprofit that advocates for women in business, hosted the recording in New York.

I was at their office with two of my guests, Mike and Michael, and our third man was talking to us from a radio studio in Virginia.

Another M name, just to confuse you.

I'm Martin Davidson. I'm a professor of leadership and organizational behavior at the

Darden School of Business here at the University of Virginia.

My name is Mike Otterman. I lead the Mark Initiative at Catalyst. Mark stands for men

advocating real change, and it's an online community designed to foster role modeling and leadership

among men and gender equality. Michael Kimmel. I'm a distinguished professor of sociology and gender

studies at the State University of New York, Stony Brook. So one of the reasons I wanted to have this

conversation was because I'd read a blog post that Martin Davidson, he's the one in Virginia, had written about how he'd come up to Catalyst's office this spring to talk about the success of women in organizations, but ultimately he felt stymied.

He says for men to truly include women in all sorts of ways, they need to take a really good look at their

own ingrained attitudes and behaviors. And he didn't actually feel he could do that and

talk honestly about this stuff in a room full of men and women.

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