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Hello.

First of all, let me apologize for my,

my huskiness. I went to a restaurant last night

where the default conversational mode was shouting.

But on with the program.

Twelve years ago, together with my producer Tony, a young man whose family hailed from the Caribbean

Ireland of St Kitts, I went to Cape Town to make a series of programs for thinking aloud about the economic

aftermath of the ending of apartheid. We were, I remember both gratified, to discover that our hotel was

considerably more luxurious than the usual BBC selection.

On the very day we arrived we saw Mark Thatcher carrying matching suitcases out of the

lobby.

Well on the second day I thought I'd take a stroll down the leafy residential road that led to the hotel.

It was all so warm and peaceful that I suggested to Tony he might like to join me on the same walk the following day.

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