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slash UK slash AI for people. Welcome to the History Extra podcast, fascinating historical conversations from the makers of BBC History Magazine.

In 2021, Satnam Sangera's best-selling book, Empire Land, catapulted the author into the eye of a media storm by exploring the divisive topic of Britain's empire and its legacy today.

Following the release of its follow-up, Empire World,

how British imperialism has shaped the globe,

Satnam spoke to Matt Elton about how it felt to make the headlines

and how we might be able to have a constructive

national conversation about Britain's imperial past.

Sam, your new book, Empire World, gets into some really big, complex, weighty topics, and we're

going to move on to them in a minute. But I wanted to start where you open the book, which is on

a holiday, and the ways in which this holiday sort of helped paint and illustrate

some of the themes you let it get into. Can you talk a bit about where you were, what your

holiday was like and how it did that, I suppose? Yeah, I went to Barbados on one of those. You

remember those first holidays we all did after COVID. And the idea was partly to escape the stress of talking about the British Empire

because I had such an intense response to my last book, Empireland.

But obviously, my girlfriend had booked the whole day.

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