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Welcome to the briefing room. Every day in police stations across the world law enforcement officers begin their shift with briefing. Briefings are essential to communication and allow officers and command staff to discuss calls for service, crime trends, case law, wanted subjects, training opportunities and policy changes.

Briefing rooms provide a setting where the team can speak with each other candidly and openly. We wanted to create a similar setting for our listeners. The briefing room series will include intimate and formal conversations about training issues, viral videos, guidance and training from detectives, as well as commentary on other topics impacting law enforcement and the true crime community.

So welcome to the briefing room.

So today on the briefing room, we are continuing our discussion about case law and how it shapes the way police officers are expected to do their job. I have with me detective Dan. Hello team. Hello you and I have detective Dave.

I am present as well. You are present. It's so good to have you both. Okay fellows, tell us about this famous case that further shapes the way police officers are supposed to do the job. Some of the standards that you're held to these boxes that you're expected to tick.

Okay, so Dave and I thought it would be a good idea to talk about Miranda versus Arizona and that is the case where we get the Miranda warning from. And we're also going to talk about a case that kind of set the groundwork for Miranda.

And this case is Escobito versus Illinois and this case happened in 1960 and I'll just give you a brief rundown. So this guy Danny Escobito, his brother-in-law guy named Manuel gets shot and killed on January 19, 1960.

And he manages to get shot and Escobito gets arrested initially and refuses to make a statement to the police and he gets released. About 10 days later, the police have another man in custody, a guy named Benedict.

That's his first name and while Benedict is in custody, he tells the police that Danny Escobito is actually the shooter in this case, this murder of Manuel. And so the police go out on January 30 and arrest Danny Escobito again.

And this is in Illinois. This is in Illinois. And while transporting Danny Escobito to the station, the police basically say, hey, Benedict, dime to you out, it would be in your best interest to tell us everything that happened and be honest with us. And Escobito says, yeah, I'm not going to talk to you guys until I have an attorney.

And the police are like, oh, okay. And the police reasoning here for not providing him attorney is that he hadn't been arrested yet, so he didn't have the right to counsel.

Is that true?

Well, that's what they said back in the day. Obviously, there's case law regarding this. So that gets addressed at a later time. So Escobito's attorney actually shows up to the police department and the police don't allow the attorney to talk to his client, Danny Escobito.

So at the same time, the police are bringing Escobito to the police department. The attorney shows up and the police say, no, you can't come into the interview room.

Correct. And this is stuff that I saw your reaction on the zoom that your eyes opened very wide and you're shocked. We have to remember that the way they operate it back then is not how we operate now.

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